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Title: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 08, 2012, 11:49:22 AM
I have do ipv6 email service some years. Who will join use ipv6 and chat, then you may send ipv6 email to me.

Email: info at ipv6china.com  support ipv6 and ipv4 mail.

:-*
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: jtcloe on May 08, 2012, 12:44:44 PM
$ dig +short china.com mx
10 mx01.ismail.cn.

$ dig +short mx01.ismail.cn aaaa

Huh, no AAAA record.

This feels a little spammy to me?
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: kasperd on May 08, 2012, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: jtcloe on May 08, 2012, 12:44:44 PMno AAAA record.
There is a AAAA record, you just have to look up the correct domain to find it. That said, I don't know what it would take to get me to host my email with a person I have zero knowledge about.
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 08, 2012, 11:00:42 PM
Quote from: jtcloe on May 08, 2012, 12:44:44 PM
$ dig +short china.com mx
10 mx01.ismail.cn.

$ dig +short mx01.ismail.cn aaaa

Huh, no AAAA record.

This feels a little spammy to me?



my domain is ipv6china.com.     not china.com.
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 08, 2012, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: kasperd on May 08, 2012, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: jtcloe on May 08, 2012, 12:44:44 PMno AAAA record.
There is a AAAA record, you just have to look up the correct domain to find it. That said, I don't know what it would take to get me to host my email with a person I have zero knowledge about.

you may apply ipv6 email service in www.xiaoyu.net. they offer public ipv6 email service years.
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: billyim on May 09, 2012, 09:35:04 AM
No AAAA record. ???

/# dig ipv6china.com aaaa

; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2.1 <<>> ipv6china.com aaaa
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 46527
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ipv6china.com.                 IN      AAAA

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
ipv6china.com.          594     IN      SOA     ns.xiaoyu.net. info.ongod.org. 2012050902 3600 600 2419200 3600
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: broquea on May 09, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
I suppose the real question is how trustworthy is the service? What guarantees are there with respect to privacy, security, etc.? Why should anyone use this service over something like Gmail, which hopefully around W6L have IPv6 enabled SMTP once all the white-listing is gone?
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 09, 2012, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: billyim on May 09, 2012, 09:35:04 AM
No AAAA record. ???

/# dig ipv6china.com aaaa

; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2.1 <<>> ipv6china.com aaaa
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 46527
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ipv6china.com.                 IN      AAAA

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
ipv6china.com.          594     IN      SOA     ns.xiaoyu.net. info.ongod.org. 2012050902 3600 600 2419200 3600


dig aaaa www.ipv6china.com  and mx record.
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: broquea on May 09, 2012, 09:51:18 AM
~$ dig mx www.ipv6china.com

; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> mx www.ipv6china.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 47789
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.ipv6china.com.             IN      MX

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
ipv6china.com.          3600    IN      SOA     ns.xiaoyu.net. info.ongod.org. 2012050902 3600 600 2419200 3600

;; Query time: 450 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Wed May  9 09:50:40 2012
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 98

~$ dig mx ipv6china.com

; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> mx ipv6china.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19042
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ipv6china.com.                 IN      MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
ipv6china.com.          18000   IN      MX      5 mail.v6.xiaoyu.net.
ipv6china.com.          18000   IN      MX      5 mail3.xiaoyu.net.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
mail.v6.xiaoyu.net.     18000   IN      AAAA    2001:470:67:2b2::2

;; Query time: 126 msec
;; SERVER: 2001:470:20::2#53(2001:470:20::2)
;; WHEN: Wed May  9 09:50:46 2012
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 115
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 09, 2012, 09:58:45 AM
DIG Output:
dig @8.8.8.8 ipv6china.com MX
; <<>> DiG 9.3.6-P1-RedHat-9.3.6-20.P1.el5 <<>> @8.8.8.8 ipv6china.com MX
; (1 server found)
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 8030
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ipv6china.com.         IN   MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
ipv6china.com.      18000   IN   MX   5 mail3.xiaoyu.net.
ipv6china.com.      18000   IN   MX   5 mail.v6.xiaoyu.net.

;; Query time: 131 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May  9 18:58:26 2012
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 87
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 09, 2012, 09:59:39 AM
DIG Output:
dig @8.8.8.8 www.ipv6china.com AAAA
; <<>> DiG 9.3.6-P1-RedHat-9.3.6-20.P1.el5 <<>> @8.8.8.8 www.ipv6china.com AAAA
; (1 server found)
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 14264
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.ipv6china.com.      IN   AAAA

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.ipv6china.com.   86400   IN   AAAA   2001:470:67:2b2::3

;; Query time: 308 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May  9 18:59:21 2012
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 63
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 09, 2012, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: broquea on May 09, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
I suppose the real question is how trustworthy is the service? What guarantees are there with respect to privacy, security, etc.? Why should anyone use this service over something like Gmail, which hopefully around W6L have IPv6 enabled SMTP once all the white-listing is gone?

We run a variety of services for many years, the users, including government.

We are enthusiasts, we believe that the promotion of ipv6,we should Be more of a practical application. Not only Talk about technical issues.

I believe that our principles, and will not sell any private mail. this is our faith.

:)
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: broquea on May 09, 2012, 10:16:38 AM
Ok, but:

1) your production IPv6 service appears to be operated on a free tunnel
2) need the site available in other languages unless you only expect those fluent in Chinese to use
3) TOS? AUP? Privacy agreement?
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 09, 2012, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: broquea on May 09, 2012, 10:16:38 AM
Ok, but:

1) your production IPv6 service appears to be operated on a free tunnel
2) need the site available in other languages unless you only expect those fluent in Chinese to use
3) TOS? AUP? Privacy agreement?

1. Ipv6 development in our country is very slow. More restrictions.we have ipv6 network in university.

So I have use USA network.  I am join gogo6.com the first user, but gogo6 network speed has some slow. I have the information in http://gogonet.gogo6.com/group/v6inSimile/forum/topics/who-do-ipv6-email

My current goal is to promote ipv6 applications now.

2. Since the beginning of the main customers are Chinese users.  but I wait for long time, still no find any who offer ipv6 mail and other service. and I get apply from other country user apply my service.

So I think maybe offer some service for fans. Within its capacity to provide help.
and I have offer english and other Language in webmail. and offer english support help.

3. In our country the user does not attach importance to this.More of a good reputation. My users are to follow us for many years. if this is need, I am may add that.

I have offer free service for some users.  
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 09, 2012, 11:10:20 AM
Quote from: broquea on May 09, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
I suppose the real question is how trustworthy is the service? What guarantees are there with respect to privacy, security, etc.? Why should anyone use this service over something like Gmail, which hopefully around W6L have IPv6 enabled SMTP once all the white-listing is gone?

I am should the world's first offer public ipv6 mail service. I hope gmail offer ipv6 service. but We can't wait it.

just now I have offer a lot of ipv6 service. and I have try do voip fax sms tv so on service. ;)
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: kasperd on May 09, 2012, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: broquea on May 09, 2012, 09:44:49 AMWhy should anyone use this service over something like Gmail, which hopefully around W6L have IPv6 enabled SMTP once all the white-listing is gone?
I am hoping as well, but I haven't seen any signs suggesting Google will have IPv6 support in Gmail ready a month from now.

It is not like the whitelisting was applicable to SMTP in the first place. If you claim to support SMTP over IPv6 people won't accept mail delivery failing just because the sending mail server for some reason wasn't allowed to know about the existence of an AAAA record. So it would be all or nothing. The only meaningful way to do a staggered rollout would be one domain at a time. And I guess the majority of Gmail users are still using the gmail.com domain.

And whitelisting wouldn't really solve as many problems for SMTP as it did for HTTP (the number of problems whitelisting solved for HTTP is still a subject of discussion). For SMTP there are better ways to work around clients with really broken IPv6 access. Create multiple MX records at different priority. Make the top and bottom priority IPv4 only, and those in between dual stack. It is a reasonable assumption that the broken senders will start at either the top or bottom priority, and with that being IPv4 only, the IPv6 brokenness shouldn't be a problem. And SMTP has always had higher requirements for retries than HTTP. An IPv6 only sender will still be able to deliver email as long as it tries all MXes in priority order, the way it is expected to behave.

The only reason to get our hopes up for Gmail supporting IPv6 after the launch day is that once dual stack is launched for majority of websites, remaining IPv6 brokenness will decrease further and completely eliminate that as an argument for not supporting SMTP over IPv6. Though frankly, I don't recall IPv6 brokenness ever being used as an argument for not supporting SMTP over IPv6.
Title: Re: IPv6 E-Mail Service
Post by: liuxyon on May 09, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
my mail service have AAAA record and mx support ipv6. We have test send ipv6 mail to other ipv6 mail server.