Hurricane Electric's IPv6 Tunnel Broker Forums

Tunnelbroker.net Specific Topics => Questions & Answers => Topic started by: brad on July 03, 2009, 11:29:07 PM

Title: New POPs?
Post by: brad on July 03, 2009, 11:29:07 PM
HE seems to have POPs in Zurich, Stockholm and Tokyo. Will there be tunnelbroker POPs at these loations in the future?
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on July 04, 2009, 04:26:03 AM
Yes. Hardware is en route.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: sttun on July 16, 2009, 03:47:21 PM
This is great news for me, asi live in Norway sending packets to London (oddly the quickest PoP for me) still creates a ferst hop (ipv6) of <60 ms while other servers in Stockholm ar generally <40ms and sometimes by a sigfficant margin. Any ETA on the avalebillity of that PoP in the tunnel broker?
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on July 16, 2009, 04:37:42 PM
This is great news for me, asi live in Norway sending packets to London (oddly the quickest PoP for me) still creates a ferst hop (ipv6) of <60 ms while other servers in Stockholm ar generally <40ms and sometimes by a sigfficant margin. Any ETA on the avalebillity of that PoP in the tunnel broker?

Stockholm is one of the last POPs to get it's gear shipped out. I'll make the usual forum announcement when the POPs are live! I promise!
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: jimb on July 16, 2009, 06:42:00 PM
Care to list an inventory of this equipment for curious IT people?  I know you may not want to for a bunch of reasons.  :p
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on July 16, 2009, 08:06:16 PM
Care to list an inventory of this equipment for curious IT people?  I know you may not want to for a bunch of reasons.  :p

Sure, its:

[redacted] x [redacted]
[redacted] x [redacted]
1 x tunnel-server

:)
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: jimb on July 16, 2009, 09:58:28 PM
 :D LOL
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: snarked on July 16, 2009, 11:41:27 PM
Don't forget to update the map at http://www.he.net/Hurricane_Electric_Geographic_Network_Map.jpg

I'm also surprised there's no Denver POP.  May other carriers seem to have a presence there.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: brad on July 17, 2009, 12:00:04 AM
I'm also surprised there's no Denver POP.  May other carriers seem to have a presence there.

Except HE's focus seems to be on cities with fairly good peering points and Denver has essentially nothing.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on July 17, 2009, 01:27:20 AM
I'm also surprised there's no Denver POP.  May other carriers seem to have a presence there.

Except HE's focus seems to be on cities with fairly good peering points and Denver has essentially nothing.

Denver has come up in conversation, but it's on the roadmap made up from imaginary capital. It isn't an outright impossibility, just not practical at the moment.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: sttun on July 17, 2009, 04:40:12 AM
This is great news for me, asi live in Norway sending packets to London (oddly the quickest PoP for me) still creates a ferst hop (ipv6) of <60 ms while other servers in Stockholm ar generally <40ms and sometimes by a sigfficant margin. Any ETA on the avalebillity of that PoP in the tunnel broker?

Stockholm is one of the last POPs to get it's gear shipped out. I'll make the usual forum announcement when the POPs are live! I promise!
Wow that was a quick reply, I now that giving exact dates is difficult but can you give a rough estimate on the availability of the Stockholm PoP?
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on July 17, 2009, 09:43:22 AM
This is great news for me, asi live in Norway sending packets to London (oddly the quickest PoP for me) still creates a ferst hop (ipv6) of <60 ms while other servers in Stockholm ar generally <40ms and sometimes by a sigfficant margin. Any ETA on the avalebillity of that PoP in the tunnel broker?

Stockholm is one of the last POPs to get it's gear shipped out. I'll make the usual forum announcement when the POPs are live! I promise!
Wow that was a quick reply, I now that giving exact dates is difficult but can you give a rough estimate on the availability of the Stockholm PoP?

Not at this time, still waiting on vendors of various things.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: brad on July 20, 2009, 04:43:54 AM
A bit OT but has Montreal ever been discussed as a city for a HE POP?
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on July 21, 2009, 10:26:01 PM
A bit OT but has Montreal ever been discussed as a city for a HE POP?
Not as of yet, but we're looking at expanding more overseas than in NA at this time.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: sttun on September 09, 2009, 11:12:11 AM
Stockholm is one of the last POPs to get it's gear shipped out. I'll make the usual forum announcement when the POPs are live! I promise!
Hello
Any news on the Stockholm PoP yet? I know this can be taken as nagging, I isn't ment to be, but I'm exited to try it out. If you need beta testers for the PoP I hereby volunteer. A few friends of mine has shown interest but when they heard that the wold need to change their config and all dns mapings (one of them runs  abunch of VMs for testing a number of things and he just loves the idea of having them accessible via ipv6) they said the wanted to wait for Stockholm to go live.

So, any ETA yet, at last which mounth?
Thanks again for a great free service
Bjarne Nilsson
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on September 09, 2009, 11:23:36 AM
Stockholm is one of the last POPs to get it's gear shipped out. I'll make the usual forum announcement when the POPs are live! I promise!
Hello
Any news on the Stockholm PoP yet? I know this can be taken as nagging, I isn't ment to be, but I'm exited to try it out. If you need beta testers for the PoP I hereby volunteer. A few friends of mine has shown interest but when they heard that the wold need to change their config and all dns mapings (one of them runs  abunch of VMs for testing a number of things and he just loves the idea of having them accessible via ipv6) they said the wanted to wait for Stockholm to go live.

So, any ETA yet, at last which mounth?
Thanks again for a great free service
Bjarne Nilsson

Ideally this week.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: sttun on September 09, 2009, 11:32:20 AM
Stockholm is one of the last POPs to get it's gear shipped out. I'll make the usual forum announcement when the POPs are live! I promise!
Hello
Any news on the Stockholm PoP yet? I know this can be taken as nagging, I isn't ment to be, but I'm exited to try it out. If you need beta testers for the PoP I hereby volunteer. A few friends of mine has shown interest but when they heard that the wold need to change their config and all dns mapings (one of them runs  abunch of VMs for testing a number of things and he just loves the idea of having them accessible via ipv6) they said the wanted to wait for Stockholm to go live.

So, any ETA yet, at last which mounth?
Thanks again for a great free service
Bjarne Nilsson

Ideally this week.
WOW!! That was great news indeed, I know that estimayes are just that, nut fingres crossed. Thank you and the rest of the HE team for youre grate work  :).
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on September 09, 2009, 11:49:23 AM
I'm really just waiting on the remote facility to "do the needful" so I can bring everything up there. I'm crossing fingers that I can announce on Friday, but we'll see. Otherwise it will just be Tokyo and Zurich announced. I really would rather have all 3 available at once.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: snarked on September 09, 2009, 01:01:57 PM
Don't forget that the network map needs the additions too.  ;-)
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on September 09, 2009, 01:25:24 PM
Don't forget that the network map needs the additions too.  ;-)

Not my domain, but I'll pass it along.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: sttun on September 11, 2009, 03:39:22 PM
I'm really just waiting on the remote facility to "do the needful" so I can bring everything up there. I'm crossing fingers that I can announce on Friday, but we'll see. Otherwise it will just be Tokyo and Zurich announced. I really would rather have all 3 available at once.
Well thank you for the great work, unfortunately my isp (subsidiary of TDC  AS 53292) does not seem to have good peering with you. Here is the traceroute from me to the stockholm pop
 1  10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1) [AS65534]  0.557 ms  0.625 ms  0.982 ms
 2  213.236.252.1 (213.236.252.1) [AS3292]  7.608 ms  8.088 ms  8.113 ms
 3  212.37.234.93 (212.37.234.93) [AS3292]  8.210 ms  8.387 ms  8.894 ms
 4  195.70.168.186 (195.70.168.186) [AS3292]  11.763 ms  12.437 ms  14.476 ms
 5  195.70.168.186 (195.70.168.186) [AS3292]  14.557 ms  15.282 ms  15.616 ms
 6  213.236.198.26 (213.236.198.26) [AS3292]  15.452 ms  11.141 ms  11.060 ms
 7  212.125.237.161 (212.125.237.161) [AS3292]  11.176 ms  11.285 ms  11.427 ms
 8  85.19.24.201 (85.19.24.201) [AS3292]  11.524 ms  11.913 ms  14.972 ms
 9  de-cix.he.net (80.81.192.172) [AS6695]  61.981 ms  62.861 ms  62.957 ms
10  10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.sto1.he.net (72.52.92.234) [AS6939]  86.353 ms  87.700 ms  87.542 ms
11  tserv24.sto1.ipv6.he.net (216.66.80.90) [AS6939]  87.400 ms  89.721 ms  89.461 ms
 
Am I right in assuming that hop 9 is in Germany?
Can you see if TDC is present at your Stockholm location and any peering oportunety.
It might be my lack of knowlage but it seens a bit pointless to send data from Norway via Germany to Stockholm, please correct me if I am wrong

Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on September 11, 2009, 04:46:21 PM
We peer with AS3292 in other locations, so I'll fire off an email to them and see if they want to turn up in Stockholm.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: sttun on September 12, 2009, 01:10:36 AM
We peer with AS3292 in other locations, so I'll fire off an email to them and see if they want to turn up in Stockholm.
Thank you so mouch, HE relay takes care of us users even those of us only using youre free services   :).
Title: Re: New POPs? (Email notice)
Post by: snarked on September 12, 2009, 02:53:37 PM
For some reason, I received a notice of your "network expansion" in e-mail TWICE to the same mailbox.

As the mailbox I actually read it from is a forwarder destination, I checked to see what HE originally sent the message to, and it was the same in both copies.

Did anyone else get two copies of the message?
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: jimb on September 12, 2009, 03:28:25 PM
Multiple tunnels w/ same contact email address?  They prob just need to sort | uniq it :P
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: snarked on September 13, 2009, 01:28:05 PM
That new network map is ugly, but I don't have a better one to offer at this time.

However, I've also noted that in the "usage statistics" graphs, the new tunnels are starting to show up (in "tunnels per server").  However, they aren't showing up yet in the "top 20 tunnels per server by latency." (Were they added to this yet?)

Also, in tunnels per server, the tunnel names appear to be limited to 4 characters.  However, tunnel endpoints seem to have 5 characters.  Where there are multiple tunnels (one classic, one BGP), the labels don't distinguish them.  One may assume that the BGP version will have the smaller count, but it should be properly labelled (or a different color).
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: sttun on September 17, 2009, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: broquea link=topic=497.msg2764#msg27javascript:void(0);64 date=1252712781
We peer with AS3292 in other locations, so I'll fire off an email to them and see if they want to turn up in Stockholm.
As I don't hvae a clue about how long it takes to set up peering, I 'll just ask. Hvat is the status have TDC responded?

I  am looking forward to youre reply and any future improvement in connectivity

All the best
Bjarne Nilsson
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: snarked on September 19, 2009, 03:17:56 PM
Still, no top 20 users for the tunnel latency page for the recently added tunnels....

     http://www.tunnelbroker.net/usage/tunnels_by_latency.php

Toronto (#21) is the last one listed.  Stockholm, Zurich, and Tokyo still not listed.  There are 24 tunnels in total.  There are 83 tunnels allocated to these 3 locations as of this mesage's posting.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on September 19, 2009, 03:31:12 PM
Still, no top 20 users for the tunnel latency page for the recently added tunnels....

     http://www.tunnelbroker.net/usage/tunnels_by_latency.php

Toronto (#21) is the last one listed.  Stockholm, Zurich, and Tokyo still not listed.  There are 24 tunnels in total.  There are 83 tunnels allocated to these 3 locations as of this mesage's posting.

Thanks for the reminder. Been busy with the FMT2 facility expansion and making sure new customers turn up.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: snarked on September 20, 2009, 12:16:53 AM
Current top 20 latency list only includes 4 POPS.  I reloaded it 15 minutes later just in case I caught the list being regenerated - and still only 4 pops.  OOPS?
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on September 20, 2009, 06:02:21 AM
Current top 20 latency list only includes 4 POPS.  I reloaded it 15 minutes later just in case I caught the list being regenerated - and still only 4 pops.  OOPS?

Yeah working on it right now, hopefully all happy in a while.

Edit: Scripts are happy once more, running a big batch to get everything updated again, probably take all day.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: snarked on September 20, 2009, 12:44:22 PM
Better.  However, not all tunnels are showing.  Los Angeles, Tokyo, and Zurich definently missing.  By tunnel #:  6, 15 (LA), 19, 20, 22, and 23 (the latter two being Tokyo and Zurich not necessarily respectively).  Let's see how it does 24 hours from now....
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on September 20, 2009, 01:27:55 PM
Because I'm not running all the polls at once. I'd like the machine to be a little sane ;) I'm going to sleep now, with the remaining scripts just firing off.

Also, why are you using Zurich? Geo-location thinks your IPv4 endpoint is The States. Seems strange is all........
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: jimb on September 20, 2009, 01:54:28 PM
Yikes.  Going to sleep at 1:30PM?  I thought I was bad. 

I'm wondering if I'll show up in the top 20 now, since my avg. is about 8-9ms (only five hops away since you guys peer with DSLExtreme).    :)
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on September 20, 2009, 03:05:53 PM
Yikes.  Going to sleep at 1:30PM?  I thought I was bad. 

I'm wondering if I'll show up in the top 20 now, since my avg. is about 8-9ms (only five hops away since you guys peer with DSLExtreme).    :)

meh so much for a nap, too awake already. also you came in around 12ms, but even the top 20 don't break 4ms. competition is tough!
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: jimb on September 20, 2009, 03:35:45 PM
Yikes.  Going to sleep at 1:30PM?  I thought I was bad. 

I'm wondering if I'll show up in the top 20 now, since my avg. is about 8-9ms (only five hops away since you guys peer with DSLExtreme).    :)

meh so much for a nap, too awake already. also you came in around 12ms, but even the top 20 don't break 4ms. competition is tough!
You guys must measure it differently (or from a different spot) than I do with MTR or ping:
{root@gtoojimb/pts/3}~# mtr -r 72.52.104.74
HOST: gtoojimb                    Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
  1. fw                            0.0%    10    1.0   1.0   0.9   1.1   0.m
  2. xxx                          100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
  3. SJC1.CR1.Gig7-0-10.dslextrem  0.0%    10    7.3   7.0   6.4   7.3   0.3
  4. 10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.s  0.0%    10    7.3   8.0   7.1  13.8   2.0
  5. 10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.f  0.0%    10   15.4  10.3   8.1  15.4   2.9
  6. tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net       0.0%    10    8.8   8.9   7.9  10.9   0.9

PING 72.52.104.74 (72.52.104.74) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=9.05 ms
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=8.90 ms
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=3 ttl=59 time=9.40 ms
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=4 ttl=59 time=8.72 ms
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=5 ttl=59 time=9.21 ms
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=6 ttl=59 time=10.0 ms
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=7 ttl=59 time=9.12 ms
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=8 ttl=59 time=9.15 ms
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=9 ttl=59 time=8.94 ms
64 bytes from 72.52.104.74: icmp_seq=10 ttl=59 time=9.36 ms

--- 72.52.104.74 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 4533ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 8.723/9.196/10.081/0.359 ms


But yeah, if the top 20 are 4ms, I don't think I can even get close.  Maybe once I get around to replacing my P133 FW.  :)  But then 4ms seems like LAN users or something ... cheating!  :P
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: broquea on September 20, 2009, 03:51:47 PM
It is an IPv6 ping sourced from the tunnel server to your side of the tunnel.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: jimb on September 20, 2009, 04:09:55 PM
Oh duh.  I should have figured as much.   :-[

HOST: gtoojimb                    Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
  1. hegw                          0.0%    10   10.1  10.7   9.8  13.0   1.1

{root@gtoojimb/pts/3}~# ping6 -i.5 -c10 hegw
PING hegw(hegw) 56 data bytes
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=10.9 ms
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=10.7 ms
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=11.6 ms
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=10.2 ms
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=14.2 ms
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=9.99 ms
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=11.3 ms
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=10.9 ms
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=9 ttl=64 time=10.9 ms
64 bytes from hegw: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=9.48 ms

--- hegw ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 4533ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 9.486/11.044/14.203/1.214 ms


Naturally, even slower.   :D
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: snarked on September 20, 2009, 11:42:58 PM
RE - Reply #32: It now appears that all tunnels are showing up on the latency list.

As far as me running a tunnel out of Zürich:  Two of my domains have close connections to Switzerland, so I'm about to make them appear as if they're there, ... even if hosted in the U.S.  ;-)

I get quite alot of traffic from ISP bluewin.com/.ch, so having a tunnel near them makes some sense.  After I have revised my firewall, I'll be adding the additional addresses to the DNS to activate them.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: sttun on October 05, 2009, 02:06:34 PM
We peer with AS3292 in other locations, so I'll fire off an email to them and see if they want to turn up in Stockholm.
Thank you so mouch, HE relay takes care of us users even those of us only using youre free services   :).
Hmm are TDC slow? Has anything append?  I don't mean to nag, but how long does it take these people to answer your mail. I realise that you have a lot to do and these things don't happen over night (if at all) but can jou please just pop in an update??

As always Thank you and the rest of HE for e grat service
All the best
Bjarne Nilsson
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: sttun on November 14, 2009, 07:54:50 AM
Hello
I seems the peering in Stockholm is operational
traceroute to 216.66.80.90 (216.66.80.90), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1) [AS65534]  0.483 ms  0.580 ms  0.957 ms
 2  213.236.252.1 (213.236.252.1) [AS3292]  7.058 ms  7.151 ms  7.423 ms
 3  212.37.234.93 (212.37.234.93) [AS3292]  7.955 ms  8.510 ms  8.920 ms
 4  195.70.168.186 (195.70.168.186) [AS3292]  14.000 ms  14.133 ms  14.241 ms
 5  195.70.168.186 (195.70.168.186) [AS3292]  14.907 ms  15.405 ms  15.517 ms
 6  213.236.198.26 (213.236.198.26) [AS3292]  15.921 ms  11.813 ms  10.787 ms
 7  212.125.237.161 (212.125.237.161) [AS3292]  10.855 ms  10.940 ms  12.315 ms
 8  85.19.24.201 (85.19.24.201) [AS3292]  12.916 ms  13.068 ms  13.511 ms
 9  tge1-4.kst-peer2.sto.se.ip.tdc.net (88.131.143.64) [AS3292]  24.997 ms  26.673 ms  26.767 ms
10  netnod-ix-ge-a-sth-1500.he.net (194.68.123.187)
11  tserv24.sto1.ipv6.he.net (216.66.80.90) [AS6939]  28.675 ms  28.897 ms  28.614 ms

Great work HE thanks a lot, I'm going to move my tunnel after dinner
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: brad on February 14, 2010, 02:44:21 PM
HE seems to have POPs in Zurich, Stockholm and Tokyo. Will there be tunnelbroker POPs at these loations in the future?

Does HE have plans of turning up a peering link to JPNAP Tokyo I ?
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: mtindle on February 16, 2010, 06:24:56 PM
Does HE have plans of turning up a peering link to JPNAP Tokyo I ?

We are looking into it as we enjoy connecting to all the exchanges we reasonably can.  However, I cannot say when or even if we will for certain.  Is there a particular ASN only present on JPNAP you are interested in?
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: brad on February 17, 2010, 05:57:25 PM
We are looking into it as we enjoy connecting to all the exchanges we reasonably can.  However, I cannot say when or even if we will for certain.  Is there a particular ASN only present on JPNAP you are interested in?

No, its more of a curiosity, connecting into JPNAP would (obviously) provide more opportunity for additional peering sessions. I ask as it would appear to be the largest of the exchanges in Tokyo.
Title: Re: New POPs?
Post by: mtindle on March 01, 2010, 04:19:44 PM
No, its more of a curiosity, connecting into JPNAP would (obviously) provide more opportunity for additional peering sessions. I ask as it would appear to be the largest of the exchanges in Tokyo.

We aggressively go after peering with anything that has an ASN.  So I can assure you we're very interested in connecting to the JPNAP.  There are other factors however that are preventing us from doing so at this time.   Once those obstacles are cleared, we'll probably hook up to JPNAP.