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Title: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: kriteknetworks on May 04, 2008, 10:45:41 AM
Hi folks, I run three nameservers, all are registered with my registrars and work fine. Part of said registration is providing the registrar with the ipv4 IP and fqdn of the nameservers. I have these servers also listening on ipv6 addresses that I've mapped to the fqdn used by these servers.
My question is: am I required to notify the registrar of the addition of the ipv6 addresses?
And do the root nameservers, some now ipv6, need to know my servers ipv6 addresses?
Or is it simply sufficient to have AAAA records for the fqdn of the servers?
Thanks
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: snarked on May 04, 2008, 04:48:10 PM
As discussed elsewhere, many registrars and some registries cannot handle IPv6 glue records yet.  Therefore, it is currently "simply sufficient" to have AAAA records retrievable when addresses of your servers are queried for.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: kriteknetworks on May 04, 2008, 05:03:20 PM
Quote from: snarked on May 04, 2008, 04:48:10 PM
As discussed elsewhere, many registrars and some registries cannot handle IPv6 glue records yet.  Therefore, it is currently "simply sufficient" to have AAAA records retrievable when addresses of your servers are queried for.
If there is no glue, queries will always come, and be responded to, in ipv4, correct?
Thus having AAAA records in the zone for my NSs won't do anything since the root NSs don't have the glue.
Do I understand this correctly?
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: testmonster on May 04, 2008, 06:15:17 PM

In order to be able to run fully native, there should be glue AAAA host records for your nameservers in the appropriate TLD zone,
and the TLD nameservers involved should have AAAA records and support native IPv6 queries.

Several of the root servers already have AAAA records and respond to native IPv6 queries.

The next two components are the TLDs and registrars.

Some TLDs have AAAA records (such as .com and .net) and respond to native IPv6 queries.

Some example registrars that support IPv6 for domain names they host:

http://www.enom.com/
http://gkg.net/
http://www.bookmyname.com/

If you use a registrar because they support IPv6 and you have a good experience then please let everybody here know.
Let us know if it was completely supported via their normal web interface (preferred) or if you had to call or email to specially request it.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: kriteknetworks on May 04, 2008, 07:35:26 PM
Heh almost word for word from the sixxs dns faq...I sent email to my registrar requesting ipv6 glue info.
I was also told today that joker.com registrar now supports ipv6 glue via their web interface.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: snarked on May 04, 2008, 08:22:11 PM
QuoteThus having AAAA records in the zone for my NSs won't do anything since the root NSs don't have the glue.  Do I understand this correctly?
No.  The first query will be IPv4, but once the AAAA record gets cached, it may be used.

Regardless, the root DNS servers won't have your NS records either.  Maybe you meant the TLD servers.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: eonesixfour on May 17, 2008, 06:39:01 AM
Quote from: snarked on May 04, 2008, 08:22:11 PM
No.  The first query will be IPv4, but once the AAAA record gets cached, it may be used.

Only if there is no AAAA glue records ;)

Quote
Regardless, the root DNS servers won't have your NS records either.  Maybe you meant the TLD servers.

Isn't that kinda the same thing in the case of .com and .net domains?
I didn't see, or I over looked what domain the OP was talking about so it depends on that as to who would store any glue records.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: kriteknetworks on May 17, 2008, 08:53:40 AM
Its a .com, and I'm awaiting completion of a domain transfer to a registrar that supports ipv6 ns addressing.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: kriteknetworks on May 20, 2008, 12:13:50 AM
Domain transfer complete. NSs updated with IPv6 glue records. Happy camper indeed.

Here's a question: Does the org tld not have ipv6 glue? I notice ultradns has a few servers using ipv6.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: snarked on May 20, 2008, 12:08:39 PM
.org doesn't support IPv6 glue - at the registry.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: karlbrose on May 20, 2008, 09:57:12 PM
; <<>> DiG 9.4.2 <<>> @a.root-servers.net org.
; (2 servers found)
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 30831
;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 6, ADDITIONAL: 11
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;org.                           IN      A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
org.                    172800  IN      NS      C0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.INFO.
org.                    172800  IN      NS      D0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.org.
org.                    172800  IN      NS      TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET.
org.                    172800  IN      NS      TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET.
org.                    172800  IN      NS      A0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.INFO.
org.                    172800  IN      NS      B0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.org.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
A0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.INFO. 172800 IN      A       199.19.56.1
A0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.INFO. 172800 IN      AAAA    2001:500:e::1
B0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.org. 172800  IN      A       199.19.54.1
B0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.org. 172800  IN      AAAA    2001:500:c::1
C0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.INFO. 172800 IN      A       199.19.53.1
C0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.INFO. 172800 IN      AAAA    2001:500:b::1
D0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.org. 172800  IN      A       199.19.57.1
D0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.org. 172800  IN      AAAA    2001:500:f::1
TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET.      172800  IN      A       204.74.112.1
TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET.      172800  IN      AAAA    2001:502:d399::1
TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET.      172800  IN      A       204.74.113.1

;; Query time: 92 msec
;; SERVER: 2001:503:ba3e::2:30#53(2001:503:ba3e::2:30)
;; WHEN: Wed May 21 00:53:36 2008
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 411
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: snarked on May 20, 2008, 11:49:49 PM
Non-sequitur.

.org may be served from IPv6 enabled servers, but that still doesn't mean that it supports IPv6 glue records for domains registered through its registry.  PIR doesn't support IPv6 glue.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: eonesixfour on May 24, 2008, 02:54:49 AM
Quote from: snarked on May 20, 2008, 11:49:49 PM
PIR doesn't support IPv6 glue.

Which I find comical in an ironic twist since on their website they list 2 people, almost in a boastful way, involved with national IPv6 deployment in 2 different countries. When I emailed them I got back the most boring form reply, I half felt like tracking down email addresses and emailing the 2 people listed on their website to find out what they think about PIR's stance on IPv6.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: snarked on August 01, 2008, 01:52:53 AM
PIR has announced on July 31, 2008, that it is testing IPv6 glue for the .org TLD.  Available "shortly" for all.

http://blog.pir.org/ - 3rd entry of 3 on that date.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: snarked on September 19, 2008, 02:23:55 PM
.ORG now supporting IPv6 glue.
Title: IPv6 glue records available for .COM from Network Solutions
Post by: drydog on November 19, 2008, 10:33:15 AM
For those who may care, I was able to add a IPv6 glue record (DNS nameserver record) for a .COM domain registered with Network Solutions today.

First I went into their web-based configuration tool. On the page where you enter IP addresses for name servers, there's this message:

Advanced Users: To specify your IPv6 name server address (IPv6 glue record),
e-mail us the domain name, the host name of the name server(s), and their
IPv6 address(es).

So, I emailed them, at IPv6Req (-at-) networksolutions (-dot-) com, yesterday evening and they added the glue the next morning.  This is verified with whois ns.drydog.com:
   Server Name: NS.DRYDOG.COM
   IP Address: 2001:470:C:2ED:20E:CFF:FE68:E4CC
   IP Address: 66.27.60.10
   Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
   Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com


Also, as many of you probably already know, the top-level hints file at ftp://RS.INTERNIC.NET/domain/named.root (version 2008020400 has AAA glue records for A.ROOT-SERVERS.NEt and F, H, J, K, and M.  E.g.,
M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      AAAA  2001:dc3::35
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: gawul00 on February 09, 2009, 12:16:02 PM
I have a registrar to add to the doesn't work list.  I know it was asked which ones do work, but I figured I would let people know so they don't waste time trying to figure it out.

ZoneEdit.com (also known as registerapi) response when I asked about IPv6 glue and registering an IPv6 NS (they require registration of NS before adding to domain record):

QuoteResponse (Ryan B) - 02/09/2009 11:57 AM
Sorry, but there's no way of registering IPv6 with our company.


So at this time, ZoneEdit does not allow IPv6 only NS and no glue.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: snarked on February 09, 2009, 01:04:07 PM
GKG.net accepted an IPv6 glue record into it's copy of the registry data for a .NAME domain even though the master registry doesn't yet support IPv6.  (.NAME doesn't even have IPv6 glue in the root zone for its TLD name servers.)

It sounds to me that's exactly what registrars should be doing - storing the glue records so that they may be turned on the instant the (master) registry supports it.
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: drydog on October 13, 2010, 10:41:16 AM
Quote from: gawul00 on February 09, 2009, 12:16:02 PM
QuoteResponse (Ryan B) - 02/09/2009 11:57 AM
Sorry, but there's no way of registering IPv6 with our company.
So at this time, ZoneEdit does not allow IPv6 only NS and no glue.
I use ZoneEdit for secondary name servers, so they accept my AAAA records, and their web interface supports IPv6 AAA records (the "advanced" page on ZoneEdit).  But, as you say, their DNS servers have no IPv6 glue records.  It helps to make requests for such glue--I have done it and the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so so say.

IPv6 seems to be in the plans for the near future.  I received this email from them:

QuoteDate: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: ZoneEdit <noreply@zoneedit.com>
To: zoneedit@drydog.com
Subject: The new ZoneEdit is coming!
We?re making some long-overdue improvements to ZoneEdit this fall. Our goal is to improve the interface and add functionality while maintaining the simplicity and ease-of-use that has made ZoneEdit popular. . . . Here?s what to expect in coming months: . . .
New Features
*  IPv6 Support
Hopefully, "IPv6 Support" includes IPv6 glue records, and not just the current ability to add AAAA records in their web interface.  As of today (Oct. 13), I see no IPv6 blue for their name servers.

Quotenslookup -q=aaaa ns1.zonedit.com
Server:         208.67.222.222
Address:        208.67.222.222#53
** server can't find ns1.zonedit.com: NXDOMAIN
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: Cloudmaster on October 20, 2010, 03:43:54 AM
Just catching up with all this IPv6 stuff.  You can add name.com to your list of registrars that support IPv6 glue
Title: Re: nameserver registration and IPv6
Post by: deesfantasyplace on June 08, 2011, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: drydog on October 13, 2010, 10:41:16 AM
Quote from: gawul00 on February 09, 2009, 12:16:02 PM
QuoteResponse (Ryan B) - 02/09/2009 11:57 AM
Sorry, but there's no way of registering IPv6 with our company.
So at this time, ZoneEdit does not allow IPv6 only NS and no glue.
I use ZoneEdit for secondary name servers, so they accept my AAAA records, and their web interface supports IPv6 AAA records (the "advanced" page on ZoneEdit).  But, as you say, their DNS servers have no IPv6 glue records.  It helps to make requests for such glue--I have done it and the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so so say.

IPv6 seems to be in the plans for the near future.  I received this email from them:

QuoteDate: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: ZoneEdit <noreply@zoneedit.com>
To: zoneedit@drydog.com
Subject: The new ZoneEdit is coming!
We?re making some long-overdue improvements to ZoneEdit this fall. Our goal is to improve the interface and add functionality while maintaining the simplicity and ease-of-use that has made ZoneEdit popular. . . . Here?s what to expect in coming months: . . .
New Features
*  IPv6 Support
Hopefully, "IPv6 Support" includes IPv6 glue records, and not just the current ability to add AAAA records in their web interface.  As of today (Oct. 13), I see no IPv6 blue for their name servers.

Quotenslookup -q=aaaa ns1.zonedit.com
Server:         208.67.222.222
Address:        208.67.222.222#53
** server can't find ns1.zonedit.com: NXDOMAIN


I go this email today in response to asking for glue records to be added.

Case Comment(s) (if applicable):
No, the system managing domains is not IPv6 compatible.

So much for making big changes last fall.