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Started by snarked, August 11, 2009, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: jimb on August 11, 2009, 04:03:42 PMHeh. Probably would be better for you to use one of the Fremont tunnels. I'll wave to your packets as they go by my house. ;)Do you have FiOS btw? I know the dname says verizon-dsl. A friend down in LA just got it. Sooo nice. Except they don't offer statics.
Quote from: brad on August 12, 2009, 05:44:15 AMQuote from: jimb on August 11, 2009, 04:03:42 PMHeh. Probably would be better for you to use one of the Fremont tunnels. I'll wave to your packets as they go by my house. ;)Do you have FiOS btw? I know the dname says verizon-dsl. A friend down in LA just got it. Sooo nice. Except they don't offer statics.Strange. I know someone in Tampa, FL with FiOS and he definitely has statics. Its a requirement for what the service is being used for.
Quote from: snarked on August 11, 2009, 02:00:38 PMAny thoughts on peering with Verizon (any of their AS's, but 19262 preferred) anywhere, let alone Los Angeles? Alternatively, adjusting an existing peer (Telia) to also peer in LA?
Quote from: brad on August 15, 2009, 11:10:44 PMQuote from: snarked on August 11, 2009, 02:00:38 PMAny thoughts on peering with Verizon (any of their AS's, but 19262 preferred) anywhere, let alone Los Angeles? Alternatively, adjusting an existing peer (Telia) to also peer in LA?Considering the fact that HE has no peering with any of the Tier 1 providers the chances of that happening at the moment are like zero.Also peering with VZB's overlay network AS for v6 would be good in general but woudn't help your v4 path to HE's POP.Which makes me wonder why HE relies so heavily on their transit providers. Has HE even made any attempts to try to establish peering with any of the Tier 1 providers?
Quote from: mleber on August 16, 2009, 05:46:31 PMThat isn't accurate. There is the IPv6 Internet and the IPv4 Internet.In the IPv6 world, Hurricane got started very early (2000), replaced our whole network to support wirespeed IPv6 in the core in 2007, and now is the largest IPv6 network as measured by number of IPv6 networks we connect (verify here: http://bgp.potaroo.net/v6/as6447/bgp-as-adj.txt ) as well as measured by number of IPv6 customer prefixes announced.In the IPv6 world we peer with all of the top IPv6 players and many networks considered tier1 in IPv4. IPv6 is a bit of an "global Internet routing table reset" because many former tier1 IPv4 networks haven't even started deploying IPv6 and of those that have many are still running limited tunnel networks without complete routing tables, instead of running dual stack in their core and aggressively peering enough to get a full IPv6 routing table. Some otherwise global networks only IPv6 peer at one or just a few locations in the world, even if their network overlaps Hurricane in 20 locations. To the extent they do peer, you can be reassured that they do care about IPv6 routing and want to ensure it works. As they start to deploy IPv6 if you are their customer you can help improve the experience by letting them know in writing where they can improve their routing. If you are an IP Transit customer of a legacy tier1 network, one of your challenges will be getting them to bifurcate their peering policy between the IPv4 Internet were they are dominant, and IPv6 were they may be barely extant (depending on who they are).In the IPv4 world, Hurricane has 4000+ BGP sessions with 1100+ networks at 24+ exchange points in North America, Europe, and Asia. However, that said, the core of the IPv4 Internet is a bit of an oligopoly with the core players largely determined around 1994 with the existing players being either those networks or the corporations that acquired those networks. Consider this, even China Telecom with more Internet users than the US (and more mobile device users than the entire US population) is not a tier1 transit network in IPv4.In this light, that fact that Hurricane even usually ranks (currently #8, it fluctuates week to week) in the top 10 IPv4 networks in the world according to CAIDA (verify here: http://as-rank.caida.org/ ) is a veritable miracle. We've clawed our way up this far AND we haven't stopped growing in IPv4 (we are bringing online Stockholm and Zurich this week, we brought Tokyo online in the last few weeks), even if you ignore all the excitement happening with IPv6. :)To answer more directly, it is Hurricane's mission to provide the best Internet we can to as many people as possible. In light of that, we read and extensively discuss internally comments to this board and feedback given to us in tickets about routing. These comments have caused us to add circuits to shorten latency (we now have a New York to Los Angeles that doesn't show up on our network map), add tunnel servers, replace and improve the tunnel server platform, pursue peering with specific networks more aggressively, and add more peering with existing peers.
Quote from: snarked on August 17, 2009, 05:15:03 PMNow if only those tier 1 carriers would join the exchange points, ....What I suggested was that Verizon or alter.net join one of the two peering points in LA that HE participates with, and I would see a decrease of hops plus the traffic would stay local. As Los Angeles is the second largest (by population) area in the U.S., proper integration of the infrastructure should produce routes that STAY in the LA area when the endpoints are both in LA. When that doesn't happen, something is "wrong." ;-)
Quote from: snarked on August 19, 2009, 11:23:39 AMNote that I determined peering at the exchanges by looking at the exchange points' web sites list of participants. Verizon wasn't listed at any of them.