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Ninho

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peering with France Telecom in Paris
« on: September 15, 2009, 02:46:16 AM »

I'm located in France, my ISP is Orange. However I get a faster service from the Tunnelbroker PoP in Frankfurt (Germany) than Paris (France) !

Would you mind looking for the possibility of adequate peering arrangements with France Telecom (Orange) in Paris ?

Regards...
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broquea

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Re: peering with France Telecom in Paris
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 02:45:41 PM »

France Telecom has been contacted several times now, however they operate a "Restrictive" peering policy, so it takes a bit more to finalize the peering.

More information can be found here:

http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=5511
http://vision.opentransit.net/docs/peering_policy/
« Last Edit: September 16, 2009, 02:49:05 PM by broquea »
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Re: peering with France Telecom in Paris
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 03:21:27 AM »

Just to add - FT for example dosn't peer with Google.
And they have an ipv6 address space that is only visible to parts of the ipv6 world (not to HE) - that's there's peering policy.
(FT is my ISP main transit provider so I feel that sometimes).
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Re: peering with France Telecom in Paris
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 07:08:26 AM »

And so, does it mean there is little hope for better interconnection ? I'm afraid the details both technical and administrative of those peering agreements are slightly over my head ! But I'm confident still, since Broquea wrote of finalizing something of the kind...

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Re: peering with France Telecom in Paris
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2010, 03:10:15 AM »

HE : Warning! this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

Ninho : New topic not needed really, I'll just bump the question :

any progress being made with France Telecom ?

Yours respectfully...


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broquea

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Re: peering with France Telecom in Paris
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 08:55:40 AM »

We've been peering with them over IPv6 for a while now.

http://bgp.he.net/AS5511
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Re: peering with France Telecom in Paris
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2010, 11:33:53 AM »

Oh, good news, I'm glad I asked again ! Going to try a tunnel to your PoP in Paris & shall report
how it fares...

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Re: peering with France Telecom in Paris
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 02:20:23 PM »

Puzzled : IPv6 using the Paris PoP is still slower than through Frankfurt, despite my IPv4 being served by France Telecom Orange (residential ADSL). Could there be problems with routing (possibly, dubious IPv4 routing strategy within FT) ?

Here's a dual traceroute (v4) from my location to both points of presence. As you can notice, my route to Paris has more visible hops and takes longer than to Frankfurt. Is Orange routing me efficiently to the exchange point w/ Hurricane Elec., or - as I suspect - the "peering" agreement has changed nothing (for me) ...

1) me -> Paris PoP : > tracert 216.66.84.42

Détermination de l'itinéraire vers tserv10.par1.ipv6.he.net [216.66.84.42] avec un maximum de 30 sauts :

  1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  speedtouch.lan [10.0.0.138]
  2    47 ms    47 ms    45 ms  ARennes-357-1-80-1.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.12.111.1]
  3    48 ms    46 ms    47 ms  10.123.138.18
  4    46 ms    45 ms    48 ms  ae20-0.ncren201.Rennes.francetelecom.net [193.253.150.190]
  5    49 ms    49 ms    48 ms  xe-6-0-1-0.nrnan201.Nantes.francetelecom.net [193.252.99.186]
  6    56 ms    56 ms   146 ms  193.252.99.146
  7    57 ms    57 ms    57 ms  tengige1-6-4-0.pastr1.Paris.opentransit.net [193.251.132.221]
  8    57 ms    57 ms    58 ms  telia-4.GW.opentransit.net [193.251.254.154]
  9    57 ms    57 ms    56 ms  prs-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.252.145]
 10    67 ms    67 ms    65 ms  ffm-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.249.46]
 11    66 ms    67 ms    67 ms  ffm-b2-link.telia.net [80.91.248.102]
 12    80 ms    72 ms    75 ms  hurricane-ic-129711-ffm-b2.c.telia.net [213.248.92.34]
 13    74 ms    73 ms    73 ms  10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.par1.he.net [72.52.92.89]
 14    74 ms    73 ms    75 ms  tserv10.par1.ipv6.he.net [216.66.84.42]
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2) me -> Frankfurt PoP : > tracert  216.66.80.30

Détermination de l'itinéraire vers tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net [216.66.80.30] avec un maximum de 30 sauts :

  1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  speedtouch.lan [10.0.0.138]
  2    47 ms    46 ms    47 ms  ARennes-357-1-80-1.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.12.111.1]
  3    48 ms    47 ms    47 ms  10.123.138.78
  4    46 ms    47 ms    47 ms  ae20-0.ncren202.Rennes.francetelecom.net [193.253.150.194]
  5    52 ms    52 ms    54 ms  xe-6-0-1-0.nrnan202.Nantes.francetelecom.net [193.252.99.210]
  6    60 ms    60 ms    59 ms  193.252.161.62
  7    60 ms    60 ms    59 ms  telia-2.GW.opentransit.net [193.251.250.222]
  8    61 ms    60 ms    90 ms  prs-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.253.109]
  9    69 ms    70 ms    70 ms  ffm-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.247.39]
 10    69 ms    70 ms    71 ms  ffm-b2-link.telia.net [80.91.248.98]
 11    69 ms    71 ms    70 ms  hurricane-ic-129711-ffm-b2.c.telia.net [213.248.92.34]
 12    70 ms    72 ms    71 ms  tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net [216.66.80.30]
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« Last Edit: May 23, 2010, 02:26:39 PM by Ninho »
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broquea

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Re: peering with France Telecom in Paris
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 03:00:06 PM »

I said IPv6 peering, not IPv4 :/
« Last Edit: May 23, 2010, 03:02:58 PM by broquea »
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Ninho

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Re: peering with France Telecom in Paris
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 02:39:40 AM »

I said IPv6 peering, not IPv4 :/

Right! Am I being boring... from comparing the *v4* traceroutes I'm questioning if there doesn't look like the route from me to the tunnel broker in Paris is less than optimal as compared with the one to the Frankfurt pop - maybe it's inside of the Telia network?  I have no experience of intra and inter ISP routing protocols and strategies, and I sort of hoped you (all) experts could give a quick look.

Besides, I understand there isn't much I can do to change things, it's just some sick curiosity

;=)
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