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piojan

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IPv4 routing to European HE access servers
« on: April 21, 2008, 07:17:55 AM »

I am located in Europe and all the European access servers of HE are routed through US. This guaranties a minimum latency of 120 ms or greater. Are there any alternative ways of reaching them in a more direct way?

A sample traceroute to Frankfurt, Germany [ 216.66.80.30 ]:

traceroute to 216.66.80.30 (216.66.80.30), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1  router.bema.one.pl (83.16.194.41)  2.428 ms  6.697 ms  9.699 ms
2  gda-ru2.idsl.tpnet.pl (213.25.2.59)  15.067 ms  7.782 ms  8.802 ms
3  * z.gda-ru2.do.gda-r2.tpnet.pl (213.25.5.189)  6.754 ms  7.411 ms
4  194.204.175.89 (194.204.175.89)  17.164 ms  12.516 ms  14.216 ms
5  war-b3-pos2-0-0.telia.net (213.248.79.17)  37.470 ms  37.479 ms  36.712 ms
6  hbg-bb1-pos6-2-0.telia.net (213.248.96.1)  41.894 ms  39.885 ms  43.286 ms
7  ldn-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.254.217)  53.966 ms ldn-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.250.221)  48.299 ms ldn-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.254.217)  78.375 ms
8  nyk-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.249.249)  122.588 ms  122.720 ms  122.903 ms
9  nyk-b1-link.telia.net (80.91.250.161)  126.002 ms  123.839 ms  122.773 ms
10  hurricane-113206-nyk-b1.c.telia.net (213.248.83.114)  127.229 ms  122.546 ms  124.349 ms
11  10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.nyc1.he.net (72.52.92.9)  132.410 ms  123.834 ms  126.980 ms
12  10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.nyc4.he.net (72.52.92.45)  134.683 ms  123.280 ms  124.442 ms
13  10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.lon1.he.net (72.52.92.78)  136.655 ms  131.135 ms  137.497 ms
14  10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.ams1.he.net (72.52.92.82)  133.288 ms  130.625 ms  129.260 ms
15  10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.fra1.he.net (72.52.92.93)  119.024 ms  117.454 ms  122.435 ms
16  tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net (216.66.80.30)  120.984 ms  120.114 ms  120.229 ms
« Last Edit: April 21, 2008, 07:24:16 AM by piojan »
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broquea

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Re: IPv4 routing to European HE access servers
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 09:52:08 AM »

If you can dig up any peering contact information for your provider, we can try and set up a session with them if they happen to be at an exchange that we are at. We're always happy to work on turning up additional peering with other networks.
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piojan

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Re: IPv4 routing to European HE access servers
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2008, 09:15:28 AM »

From the analyzes of traceroute the current route from my Polish ISP (TPNET) goes through only 3 following ASs:
AS5617 (TPNET) AS1299 (TELIA) AS 6939 (HE)

For the first one the possible (not certain about the email) contacts are:
remarks:         registry@tpnet.pl
phone:           +48 44 648 00 30
fax-no:          +48 44 648 00 31
I thing that you would not find a place of exchange that you both are at.
TPnet doesn't you there own links outside Poland. There you mainly Telia, OpenTransite and other.

However the second AS (Telia) is much more probably to cooperate with.
AS1299
remarks:         Peering Requests: peering-request@telia.net
Peers at: TIX MIX PARIX DE-CIX AMS-IX LINX VIX

Hope that help.
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scottnelson

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Re: IPv4 routing to European HE access servers
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2008, 06:38:19 PM »

If you can dig up any peering contact information for your provider, we can try and set up a session with them if they happen to be at an exchange that we are at. We're always happy to work on turning up additional peering with other networks.


Can I give my contact at Level3 your e-mail address?

I'd like to get peering with ya'll going that way.

If all else fails, i'd like to get peering going to us ( www.gsa.gov ) if they can't or don't want to.
I hate going all the way to Europe and then back when I am less than a mile away....

Thanks!  :-)

Scott - 202-270-8968
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broquea

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Re: IPv4 routing to European HE access servers
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2008, 06:59:38 PM »


Can I give my contact at Level3 your e-mail address?

I'd like to get peering with ya'll going that way.

If all else fails, i'd like to get peering going to us ( www.gsa.gov ) if they can't or don't want to.
I hate going all the way to Europe and then back when I am less than a mile away....

Thanks!  :-)

Scott - 202-270-8968


Yes please share my email with your contact (I believe it is in my profile, otherwise: broquea at he dot net). I'm including the link to our public peering information. If GSA.GOV is at any of these facilities/exchanges, we'd love to turn up peering with you folks.
http://www.he.net/adm/peering.html
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piojan

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Re: IPv4 routing to European HE access servers
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2008, 12:49:43 PM »

However the second AS (Telia) is much more probably to cooperate with.
AS1299
remarks:         Peering Requests: peering-request@telia.net
Peers at: TIX MIX PARIX DE-CIX AMS-IX LINX VIX

Seems like the ipv4 traffic from Europe's Telia network to you pop in Frankfurt is going much straighter now.
Thank you.

Speaking of Telia again if you would have some time, you could consider contacting them on improving ipv6 traffic exchange.

More optimally this traffic could be switch from Telia to you in London (or perhaps Frankfurt) and not NYC.
I haven't investigated better but i believe that all the international traffic to/form greant2.net (pan-European research and education network) is going through telia (and level3).
And I don't think that they peer at any locations that you do.

Part of there traceroute:
Hop  Node                         Loss%  Sent   Last   Avg  Best Worst StDev       ASN        Organisation
  4. 2001:798:23:10aa::5           0.0%     5    9.4   8.2   6.2   9.4   1.5     20965      Dante
     pionier-bckp.rt1.poz.pl.geant2.net.
  5. 2001:798:cc:1301:2301::1      0.0%     5   27.7  29.4  27.6  32.5   2.4     20965      Dante
     so-5-0-0.rt1.pra.cz.geant2.net.
  6. 2001:798:cc:1301:1b01::2      0.0%     5   38.3  38.8  37.8  40.3   1.1     20965      Dante
     so-4-0-0.rt1.bud.hu.geant2.net.
  7. 2001:2000:3081:12::1          0.0%     5   79.9  77.3  73.6  79.9   2.7     1299       TeliaSonera AB
  8. 2001:2000:3010:1::1           0.0%     5   69.7  68.2  66.0  69.7   1.5     1299       TeliaSonera AB
     ldn-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia.net.
  9. 2001:2000:3010::1             0.0%     5   97.6  99.4  97.6 102.8   2.3     1299       TeliaSonera AB
     ldn-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia.net.
 10. 2001:2000:3010:200::2         0.0%     5  192.6 194.6 192.4 199.3   2.8     1299       TeliaSonera AB
     nyk-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia.net.
 11. 2001:440:eeee:ffa4::2         0.0%     5  277.5 277.7 275.5 281.5   2.3                Sprint
 12. 2001:470:0:51::1              0.0%     5  279.4 278.3 275.3 279.4   1.8                Hurricane Electric
     1g-2-4.core1.nyc1.ipv6.he.net.
 13. 2001:470:0:37::1             20.0%     5  281.8 278.5 275.1 281.8   2.7                Hurricane Electric
     10g-1-1.core1.nyc4.ipv6.he.net.
 14. 2001:470:0:33::1             20.0%     5  361.4 360.6 359.4 361.4   0.9                Hurricane Electric
     10g-3-1.core1.sjc2.ipv6.he.net.
 15. 2001:470:0:2f::1             20.0%     5  363.3 368.0 363.3 377.8   6.7                Hurricane Electric
     10g-1-1.core1.fmt1.ipv6.he.net.

Also a different suboptimal traceroute form you to telia: 
 1  v993.core1.fmt1.he.net (2001:470:0:84::1)  12.168 ms  0.442 ms  0.261 ms
 2  10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.pao1.he.net (2001:470:0:2e::2)  0.779 ms  0.821 ms  0.714 ms
 3  10gigabitethernet2-4.core1.ash1.he.net (2001:470:0:35::2)  82.842 ms  75.558 ms  77.258 ms
 4  equinix.ash.cw.net (2001:504:0:2::1273:1)  76.271 ms  85.782 ms  76.591 ms
 5  so-7-0-0-dcr2.amd.cw.net (2001:5000:0:f0::2)  168.638 ms  174.636 ms  168.765 ms
 6  xe-0-3-0.xcr1.amd.cw.net (2001:5000:0:132::1)  162.96 ms  163.164 ms  162.991 ms
 7  xe-0-1-0.xcr1.amd.cw.net (2001:5000:0:11d::1)  169.09 ms  168.928 ms  168.982 ms
 8  ge-2-0-0.dcr1.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:10e::2)  170.035 ms  170.321 ms  169.864 ms
 9  so-4-0-0-bcr2.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:8::1)  169.979 ms  170.119 ms  169.792 ms
10  ge-0-3-0-iar1.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:13::3)  170.166 ms  169.957 ms  169.805 ms
11  2001:5001:200:6::2 (2001:5001:200:6::2)  262.85 ms  262.79 ms  262.738 ms
12  s-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia.net (2001:2000:3010::2)  294.679 ms  294.755 ms  294.657 ms
13  telia-v6.rt1.lon.uk.geant2.net (2001:798:28:10dd::5)  295.551 ms  295.855 ms  295.434 ms
14  so-2-0-0.rt1.ams.nl.geant2.net (2001:798:cc:2201:2801::1)  334.46 ms  335.132 ms  334.605 ms
15  so-6-2-0.rt1.fra.de.geant2.net (2001:798:cc:1401:2201::1)  338.939 ms  339.339 ms  339.495 ms
16  so-7-0-0.rt1.poz.pl.geant2.net (2001:798:cc:1401:2301::2)  354.887 ms  355.014 ms  356.46 ms
17  * pionier-bckp-gw.rt1.poz.pl.geant2.net (2001:798:23:10aa::6)  354.693 ms  354.977 ms
« Last Edit: May 10, 2008, 12:59:21 PM by piojan »
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Re: IPv4 routing to European HE access servers
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 01:40:13 PM »

...Or Amsterdam, since you both seem to have AMS-IX in common.
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